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Using atomic nuclei could allow scientists to read time more precisely than ever – what this research could mean for future clocks

Atomic clocks exploit the properties of atoms to create incredibly precise ‘ticks.’
Nate Phillips, NIST

Eric R. Hudson, University of California, Los Angeles and Andrei Derevianko, University of Nevada, Reno

Most clocks, from wristwatches to the systems that run GPS and the internet, work by tracking regular, repeating motions.

To build a clock, you need something that ticks in a perfectly repeatable way. In a pendulum clock, that tick is the regular swinging of the pendulum: back and forth, back and forth, at nearly the same rate each time.

Our team of physicists studies whether an even better kind of clock could one day be built from the atomic nucleus. Today’s best clocks already use atoms to keep extraordinarily accurate time. But in principle, a clock based on a nucleus – the tiny, dense core at the center of an atom – rather than an atom’s electrons, could keep a steadier rhythm because it would be less sensitive to environmental disturbances such as temperature changes. In our research, published in the journal Nature, we measured and interpreted a unique nuclear property of thorium-229 in a crystal that could help make such nuclear clocks possible.

Ultraprecise clocks are more than scientific curiosities. They play key roles in navigation, communications and international timekeeping. Improvements in timing accuracy can also open doors to new science.

How atomic clocks work

In an atomic clock, researchers shine a laser on a material and carefully tune the light until it triggers a specific atomic response, typically by pushing or exciting an electron from one energy level to another. They can tell this has happened because the atoms absorb the laser light most strongly when its energy is exactly right.

That absorption happens at an exquisitely precise frequency. Frequency is how often something repeats over time. For a pendulum, it is the number of back-and-forth swings each second. For light, it is the number of wave cycles that pass each second. A light wave’s frequency also determines its energy and, in the visible light range, its color.

By detecting when atoms absorb the laser light most strongly, scientists can use the laser as a metronome. Rather than counting swings, these clocks count light waves.

To ensure the tick rate stays constant and the clock remains accurate, scientists closely match the laser’s energy to the energy needed to excite an electron in an atom.

Because the electron excitation energy is set by the laws of physics, atomic clocks based on the same atom tick at the same rate everywhere in the universe – even E.T. would agree with your clock.

Using this energy to calibrate a clock, like atomic clocks do, does not come without consequence, though. If anything changes the energy of the atom, like an unaccounted for magnetic field or the temperature of the room, the clock will tick at a different rate.

Deep inside every atom is something even smaller: the nucleus. Today’s atomic clocks keep time by tracking changes in an atom’s electrons. A nuclear clock, by contrast, would use an excitation in the nucleus itself, which is far more compact.

Because a nucleus is 10,000 times smaller than an atom, it is much less sensitive to temperature, electric fields and other environmental disturbances than the electrons in an atom. That makes it an appealing candidate for an even more stable clock.

The challenge is that nature does not make such a clock easy to build. The unique property we found in our research could help.

What makes thorium-229 special?

In one exceptionally rare case, the nucleus of the element thorium-229 has a property based on its two states: a ground state and a slightly higher-energy excited state. These states represent two different configurations of the nucleus, and scientists are able to use lasers to excite the nucleus from one state to the other.

A diagram showing an ultraviolet wave entering an atomic nucleus, which vibrates and emits energy, which feeds into a clock.
Nuclear clocks could work by using a laser to excite the atomic nucleus in an atom so that it emits energy in the form of light – or transfers energy to another electron, as in the case of thorium-229.
N. Hanacek/NIST

The first step was to determine exactly how much energy is needed to push the thorium-229 nucleus into its excited state. That took nearly 50 years – a feat that we and other groups accomplished in 2024. That transition occurs at an extraordinarily high frequency, about 2 quadrillion – 2 * 1015 – cycles per second.

Next, in order to ensure your laser is at the right frequency to create a clock, you have to verify that the nucleus was indeed excited. Until now, physicists thought the best way to do that was to look for the very faint flashes of light that excited nuclei usually emit.

However, there are two problems with that approach.

First, in most materials, the thorium nuclei release their energy not as light, but through a process called internal conversion, where the energy is transferred to an electron in the material instead.

Second, even when light is emitted, it is extremely hard to detect. It lies in the vacuum ultraviolet, a part of the electromagnetic spectrum that air absorbs and is difficult to observe.

A laser beam shot at an opaque material
In an opaque material, a light can only travel a few nanometers in the material before it is completely absorbed. However, scientists can detect electrons excited by the light and emitted from the material, to observe a process called the nuclear transition, which could one day help make a nuclear clock ‘tick.’
Albert Bao and Grant Mitts

A different way to ‘listen’ to the nucleus

In our work, we flipped the problem around. Instead of trying to collect the light from the nucleus, we looked directly for the internal conversion electrons it produces.

We created a very thin layer – just a few dozen atoms across – of thorium dioxide on a small metal disc. A laser tuned to the right energy excited the thorium nuclei in the sample. When some of these nuclei relaxed, they transferred their energy to nearby electrons, which then could leave the surface. We use carefully arranged electric and magnetic fields to guide those electrons into a detector.

By scanning the laser across different frequencies and recording how many electrons we detected, we could measure how closely the laser energy matched the energy needed to excite the nucleus. When the two matched exactly, the signal appeared clearly in the data, revealing the precise laser frequency at which thorium-229 nuclei absorb most strongly.

We also measured how long the excited nuclear state survived in this material before relaxing, giving us a direct window into how the surrounding material influences the nucleus.

Scientists are studying a form of the element thorium to determine if it could one day be used in a nuclear clock.

The measurement becomes much more powerful when paired with theory.
Calculations can estimate how the type of material used shifts the energy needed to excite thorium and how efficiently it converts energy from the nucleus into emitted electrons. These calculations help researchers tell apart the nucleus’s intrinsic behavior from outside effects caused by the solid around it. That understanding is crucial for designing practical nuclear clocks.

Why this approach matters

Detecting electrons instead of light has two major advantages.

First, it opens the door to studying thorium-229 in a much wider range of solid materials, including some that researchers had previously ruled out. Earlier approaches worked best only in materials where electrons were hard to knock off, which limited the options. Our method relaxes that constraint, allowing scientists to explore materials that were not practical before. That broader category of materials could make it easier to design and build future nuclear clocks.

Second, this method could enable a new type of nuclear clock that is simpler and potentially easier to miniaturize. Instead of needing sensitive light detectors, a clock based on this approach could read out time by measuring a tiny electrical current produced by the emitted electrons.

What could nuclear clocks be used for?

One day, researchers may use nuclear clocks to test whether the fundamental constants of nature truly remain constant over long periods of time, or to search for signs of new physics, such as dark matter, in the universe. More stable clocks could also improve technologies that depend on synchronized timing, such as advanced navigation systems.

Our work is an early step in that direction. It does not provide a finished clock, but it removes a practical barrier and provides a new experimental tool for studying how the thorium nucleus behaves inside solids.The Conversation

Eric R. Hudson, Professor of Physics and Astronomy, University of California, Los Angeles and Andrei Derevianko, Professor of Physics, University of Nevada, Reno

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.

Postdoctoral position in nuclear clock theory (AMO, condensed matter, quantum chemistry)

The Department of Physics at the University of Nevada, Reno invites applications for a postdoctoral position in our theoretical research group focused on advancing quantum technology through the development of 229-Thorium nuclear clocks. This project is inherently interdisciplinary, integrating atomic, nuclear, solid-state physics, and materials science. Our primary objective is to establish theoretical frameworks that complement ongoing experimental work involving ion traps and solid-state hosts, with the aim of realizing the first nuclear optical clock.

Candidates should possess a strong foundation in either atomic theory, condensed matter theory, and/or quantum chemistry, or demonstrate a willingness to acquire relevant expertise rapidly. Proficiency in coding, numerical modeling, and experience with periodic DFT codes or MOLCAS are desirable attributes.

The start date is flexible, with opportunities available as early as Spring 2026. The initial appointment is for one year, with the possibility of renewal contingent upon performance.

Finalists for this position must meet the sponsor’s requirements for participation.

For further details and to apply please visit https://nshe.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/UNR-external/job/University-of-Nevada-Reno---Main-Campus/Postdoctoral-Scholar--Physics_R0150628

Postdoctoral position in physics

The Department of Physics at the University of Nevada, Reno invites applications for a Postdoctoral Scholar position (Derevianko group). The successful candidate will have the opportunity to contribute to one of two research areas:

(i) High-precision calculations in atomic parity violation, and/or

(ii) developing data analysis toolbox for novel, exotic physics, modality in multi-messenger astronomy with quantum sensors.

While previous experience in these specific areas is not mandatory, computational skills are essential for this role.

Feel free to reach out to Dr. Derevianko for further details.

For more information, and to apply, please visit: https://nshe.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/UNR-external/job/University-of-Nevada-Reno-Main-Campus/Postdoctoral-Scholar-Physics_R014015

Mr. Tompkins revised or What would happen if the speed of light were smaller?

In 1939, George Gamow published the book “Mr. Tompkins in Wonderland”, which tells a story about a world where fundamental constants have radically different values from those they have in the real world. Gamow's classic predates modern theories that generically promote fundamental constants to dynamic entities. Constants are no longer constant. Enter Mr. Tompkins world where the speed of light c is reduced to that of a speeding bicycle, i.e. ~10,000,000 times smaller than its usual value.

In Mr. Tompkins dream, the city does not need speed limits posted, as no matter how powerful a car is, it cannot move faster than the drastically different 25-mph speed of light. This is the effect of Einstein’s theory of relativity. No need for highway patrol!

Is this Mr. Tompkins world even possible from biology perspective? We find (see our paper) that if the speed of light were reduced 10-fold, the entire Mendeleev periodic table would shrink to elements from hydrogen to sulfur. The heavier elements become unstable due to electron-positron pair emission.  In Mr. Tompkins alternative reality, where c is reduced to that of a speeding bicycle, even the hydrogen atom fails to exist.

We find several striking effects at the reduced speed of light. For example, Neon is no longer chemically inert and has the electronic structure of carbon. If the speed of light were ~10 times smaller, a neon-based life could have emerged. 

Water molecule, which is bent in our world, unfolds and becomes linear at the reduced speed of light. As such, it no longer possesses dipole moment and would cease to serve as a universal solvent, a necessary condition for sustaining life.

Life, as we know it, can only happen in a certain range of values of fundamental constants (the anthropic principle). Life is fragile.

A clump of dark matter sweeping through Earth. If the speed of light inside the clump is reduced by ~a factor of ten, the consequences for life are catastrophic.

We extend the anthropic arguments to a regime of transient variations of fundamental constants. Such regime is characteristic of clumpy dark matter models where inside the clumps fundamental constants can reach values vastly different from their everyday values. The passage of such a macroscopic dark matter clump through Earth would make Earth uninhabitable. Requiring that such a clump did not encounter Earth over the past 4 billion years (the estimated age of lifeforms on our planet), we substantially improve constraints on a certain class of dark models.

Here is our paper: arXiv:2202.04228 
Anthropic constraint on transient variations of fundamental constants
Authors: Vsevolod D. DergachevHoang Bao Tran TanSergey A. VarganovAndrei Derevianko

P.S. Technically, the relevant quantity is not the speed of light, but rather the fine structure constant alpha that includes the speed of light.

Quantum sensing black hole mergers: novel, exotic physics, modality in multi-messenger astronomy

Black hole mergers are known to emit gravitational waves and are not expected to generate anything else. However, describing the physics of merging black hole singularities requires the yet unknown theory of quantum gravity. Thus the mergers can be accompanied by the emission of yet undetected exotic fields. In our paper, just published in Nature Astronomy, we argue that atomic clock networks can be sensitive to exotic fields emitted by LIGO detected mergers. This opens an intriguing possibility for a novel, exotic physics, modality in multi-messenger astronomy.

Paper is available here:  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-020-01242-7 or without paywall: https://rdcu.be/b9ByS. Abstract is below.

Quantum sensor networks as exotic field telescopes for multi-messenger astronomy

Conner Dailey, Colin Bradley, Derek F. Jackson Kimball, Ibrahim A. Sulai, Szymon Pustelny, Arne Wickenbrock & Andrei Derevianko

Multi-messenger astronomy, the coordinated observation of different classes of signals that originate from the same astrophysical event, provides a wealth of information about astrophysical processes1. So far, multi-messenger astronomy has correlated signals from known fundamental forces and standard model particles like electromagnetic radiation, neutrinos and gravitational waves. Many of the open questions of modern physics suggest the existence of exotic fields with light quanta (with masses ≪1 eV c−2). Quantum sensor networks could be used to search for astrophysical signals that are predicted by theories beyond the standard model that address these questions. Here, we show that networks of precision quantum sensors that, by design, are shielded from or are insensitive to conventional standard model physics signals can be a powerful tool for multi-messenger astronomy. We consider the case in which high-energy astrophysical events produce intense bursts of exotic low-mass fields (ELFs), and we propose a novel model for the potential detection of an ELF signal on the basis of general assumptions. We estimate ELF signal amplitudes, delays, rates and distances of gravitational-wave sources to which global networks of atomic magnetometers and atomic clocks could be sensitive. We find that such precision quantum sensor networks can function as ELF telescopes to detect signals from sources that generate ELF bursts of sufficient intensity.


A black hole merger (left) emits a burst of exotic low-mass fields (ELFs) and gravitational waves. As the ELF burst propagates with the group velocity vg ≲ c to the detector (right), it lags behind the emitted gravitational waves, which propagate at c. Given that the more energetic ELF components propagate faster, the detected ELF wave packet exhibits a characteristic frequency chirp, depicted by the wave packet shown on the right.